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With late-night calls, even bedtime isn't safe from work

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August 05, 2025

Out-of-hours communication takes an emotional toll, but that doesn't stop employers from picking up the phone.

- Emma Jacobs

After Mr Howard Lutnick is tucked up in bed, at about 1 a.m., he takes a phone call from his boss, US President Donald Trump, to discuss trade and shoot the breeze. This revelatory titbit appeared in a New Yorker profile on the US Commerce Secretary.

“They talk about ‘real stuff’, like Canadian steel tariffs and also about ‘nothing’,” the journalist wrote. “Sporting events, people, who’d you have dinner with, what was this guy like, can you believe what this guy did, what’s the TV like, I saw this on TV, what’d you think of what this guy said on TV, what did you think about my press conference, how about this Truth?”

Of course, this is hardly the first time Mr Trump has picked up the phone to someone well past their bedtime. During his first presidency, he reportedly called Mr Mike Flynn at 3 a.m. with a question: Is a strong — or weak — dollar good for the economy? Don’t you hate those thoughts and worries that strike in the middle of the night?

Though most therapists would probably advise jotting such quandaries in a notepad rather than calling an adviser with expertise in national security, not the economy. Nor is Mr Trump the only boss to make such calls.

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