"Women are entirely excluded from nation-building, yet the ultimate emblem of the nation is a woman"

JANINA RAMIREZ speaks to Danny Bird about how women and their stories have been co-opted and curated by men attempting to forge nations across Europe

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Danny Bird What was the genesis of Legenda? Was there a moment when you knew you had to write this book?

Janina Ramirez From the start of my academic career, I learned from [Palestinian-American literary critic and activist] Edward Said and others the value of acknowledging one's perspective: being transparent about who you are, rather than claiming some sense of neutral empirical truth.

For me, identity rests on three pillars. First, I am a woman. Second, class: I come from an immigrant, working-class background. Third, heritage: Polish-Irish, born in Dubai, raised in the UK, married to a Spanish-Scot, with a distinctly European sense of self. With all that, I wasn't going to get away without a Catholic upbringing: convent school, just very Roman Catholic foundations. I'm not practising now, but it gave me empathy for faith and an understanding of belief.

These roots inevitably shape my work. When I published The Private Lives of the Saints [in 2015], my aunt, a Franciscan missionary, told me how proud she was. I had to laugh because the book dismantled saintly myths rather than celebrating them. Yet she was right: I was still that Catholic schoolgirl, writing about religious figures, even as I reframed them.

Questions of nationality also ran through my research. My first book required careful choices of terms: 'Irish', 'Welsh', 'Scottish', 'British Isles' – each politically charged. By Femina [2022], the pattern was striking: nations everywhere reclaiming heritage, from Scandinavia's Vikings to France's Cathars.

The focus of my latest book crystallised while writing about [queen and saint] Jadwiga of Poland. My grandmother, who owned a bronze of Pope John Paul II, reminded me how faith and identity intertwine. In my lifetime, that pope canonised women I now study, using them to shape national narratives. So the direction of this new book was clear even as I finished the last one.